6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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Re: 6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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DT wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:57 am Guys, I’m flying the Zippy 700’s what should I set my low voltage warning alarm at?
Hi Dan. I don't know this information off the top of my head, but over the years I've kept notes on things I've learned about batteries. From these notes, here's what I published in the September 2021 RC Pylon Racing column of Model Aviation...

A 2S LiFe operates at about 6.0 – 6.6V, so make sure your servos/receiver are rated for that voltage (receiver/servos that are okay with 5-Cell NiCd should also be fine with 2S LiFe). Here are some figures I scrounged up about LiFe batteries:

Minimum discharge voltage: 2.8 – 2.5V/cell
Maximum discharge rate: 1C
Nominal operating voltage: 3.0 – 3.3V/cell
Maximum voltage: 3.6V/cell
Recommended charge rate: 1C

A fully-charged 2S LiFe will come off the charger at about 7.2V, but even without a load will just about immediately drop down to 6.6V, then remain. It is said that LiFe batteries don’t require balancing as much as LiPo – especially if not over discharged. Unlike a LiPo (where voltage may be correlated to capacity), a LiFe has a flat discharge curve with a sudden drop at the end, so it is not advisable to use the voltage of a LiFe as a cue when to stop flying. Instead, use capacity used/remaining to indicate when to charge. A typical LiFe discharge curve for typical discharge rates shows a rapid drop off at about 83% capacity used. But you want to avoid this point because the drop off is so fast. A safer figure would be about 65% or even 50% to play it really safe. If we estimate that one flight of a Q40 airplane consumes about 30mAh, and we are using the typical Zippy 650mAh LiFe, we can get over ten flights before approaching 50% capacity used. (50% of 650mAh = 325mAh / 30mAh per flight = 10.8 flights)

That's the end of the article. But if you want a little further reading there are always enlightening conversations on RC Groups, like this one...

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthr ... arge-Curve

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Re: 6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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rocket wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:02 pm Lipo fully charged is 8.4 volts. Non HV servos dont like this. A little battery management like charging a lipo to the max voltage of a fully charged life pack and your servos will be fine..
Rocket - are you saying we don’t need a regulator when using non-HV servos if we simply charge the 2s lipos to around 7.4v? Are Futaba 617 receivers fine with these voltages? Thanks Rocket.

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Re: 6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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Kurt Bozarth wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:26 am
rocket wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:02 pm Lipo fully charged is 8.4 volts. Non HV servos dont like this. A little battery management like charging a lipo to the max voltage of a fully charged life pack and your servos will be fine..
Rocket - are you saying we don’t need a regulator when using non-HV servos if we simply charge the 2s lipos to around 7.4v? Are Futaba 617 receivers fine with these voltages? Thanks Rocket.

Kurt
A 2S LiPo charged to 7.4V = 3.7V per cell. It is almost unanimously agreed that maximum discharge voltage of a LiPo is 3.72 Volts per cell which is about 20% capacity. If you math it out, a 700mAh LiPo at 20% capacity is 140 mAh. :o

Maybe I'm missing something and I probably am, but that doesn't seem like a good idea. Perhaps the theory is that, at the low loads/current imposed on the battery by servos (as opposed to an electric motor), it can be discharged deeper, but still. ???

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Re: 6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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Here is another option to try:

https://innov8tivedesigns.com/badass-25 ... ttery.html

It appears there are a few retailers that offer the same pack if one store if out of stock.
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Re: 6.6V 2S receiver LiFe battery packs

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Fly Fast n Left wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:10 pm Here is another option to try:

https://innov8tivedesigns.com/badass-25 ... ttery.html

It appears there are a few retailers that offer the same pack if one store if out of stock.
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