Respectively Requesting :-)

[airplanescotty]

With Age and the calendar rapidly closing in, 52 years in Pylon ,,, "M" and I find ourselves in a quandary

We very much enjoy 424, and are unwilling to let go of the thrills of 422

Recent changes to our race format has placed both 424 & 422 on Sunday. Getting back to the age & calendar issues we find ourselves unable to participate in Two (2) classes in one day

While I/we have no idea as to the reasoning behind behind community changes,,, nor do we know who makes these decisions,,, we would like to respectively request 424 be moved to Saturday while 422, of course remains the Sunday Main Event!!!!

Your time & attention is appreciated

Scotty

[Kurt Bozarth]

To piggyback on Scotty's comment, and many of you may have heard my rant, but why don't we fly Q40, the premier event, on Saturday when the energy is high and the day is longer? I know many have said that if we push Q500 to Sunday, some might leave the race early...so be it.

Can you all imagine racing Q40 hard all day Saturday and then having a relaxing Sunday flying Q500 instead of trying to maintain focus and intensity while worrying about when the racing will end, packing, and either getting on the road or catching your flight?

What if we raced the premier event on the premier day: Q40 on Sundays.

Kurt Bozarth

[T.Doe]

All the events I attended, except the NATS we fly 2 events in a day and i knowmost clubs are tryingto support the same. Also having less interest in 424 and EF-1.We also flew 3 events in a day for a bit witch was impossible so it was settled on 2 a day. As much as we enjoy flying all 4 events, it keep you really busy so this past year I step back from 424 on Sunday. I also did this to put a more focus on our Q40 program. But we must continue to support and encourage the new comers to are sport. We also need to focus on as many rounds as possible, starting on time and racing as long as the help we allow. I understand equipment issues and rain no control over that. We also settle on the current split so everyone doesn't leave and so that the less experienced polits would have support from the experienced pilot. Encouraging the to keep pushing. That just my thoughts process

[G.Freeman Jr.]

With Age and the calendar rapidly closing in, 52 years in Pylon ,,, "M" and I find ourselves in a quandary

We very much enjoy 424, and are unwilling to let go of the thrills of 422

Recent changes to our race format has placed both 424 & 422 on Sunday. Getting back to the age & calendar issues we find ourselves unable to participate in Two (2) classes in one day

While I/we have no idea as to the reasoning behind behind community changes,,, nor do we know who makes these decisions,,, we would like to respectively request 424 be moved to Saturday while 422, of course remains the Sunday Main Event!!!!

Your time & attention is appreciated

Scotty

Scotty, what race are you talking about were this format will be used?

[kane]

I can only speak for CAPS races.

Here in the Midwest we are trying to support all of the classes based on allowing new guys a place to participate. As Tom D pointed out we used to race 3 events on Saturday and 2 on Sunday. It was very tough and we struggled to get 4 rounds of each in. Then something happened where we started to get more entries and it was even harder. CAPS made the decision to run EF-1 on one day and 424 on the next rather than running both on one and running a second 424 day on Sunday with 422. Why did we choose to run EF-1 on Saturday? Because we did. We had more pilots flying EF-1 than 424 at the time. The switching of course officials was shorter between events and here we are. Can we run it in a reversed format? Sure. Will we? Probably not. Running two events one one day sucks. Especially for guys like me that help others. Personally, there are very few times I leave the flight line on Saturday. Sunday is my day to slow down from the craziness that is Saturday. Personally, I would love to only have 426 and 422 events. But this is exactly what we cannot do. Here in the Midwest we have some great people that only want to fly 424 and EF-1. We need to foster this and I truly believe we have done that. We have a handful that made the move to 426 and a handful that made the move to 422. We also have a handful that only fly 424, EF-1 or both. This is just as important as the guy that only flies 426 and 422. Does it stink for those that travel? Absolutely. IS it fair to the local guys to cater to the guys that travel?? Not sure. But local support is what we are growing. My feelings are that the format used helps the local guys in the lower classes as much as we can.

I am interested to hear from other CAPS/Out of state guys to understand their thoughts. One thing is for certain, we cannot go back to 3 events on Saturday.

DK

[airplanescotty]

Jr.,,,I was thinking more in terms of 2025, given flyers and such are already posted, apologies for forgetting to mention that

Danny,,,, your insight is very much appreciated,, thank you

[airplanescotty]

Clearly,,, the CAPS population is diversifying and developing favorite classes,,, as have we,, CAPS is doing good work,,,, healthy Pylon pilot development,,,, High Marks!!!!

Clearly race complexity isn't going anywhere, just getting workers remains forever the critical path!!!

Question,,,,, Does CAPS races, class day selection,,,, need to be in stone???? Given your diversity across numerous pilots, could the Class race day be governed or driven by the pilots ~ majority decision at time of sign-up,,, Scotty ~ 424 & 422,, 424 Saturday,,, then the CD announces what' flying when,,,,

Scotty

[kane]

Another person reminded me of this...

IF a guy is using the same airplane for 426 and 424, it was better to have these events on different days. This may be why the CAPs group chose this format. Back when this decision was made we were just seeing the Jett conversion filter it's way into 424. Is this still a valid reason today? Not sure, most guys have dedicated 426 models and dedicated 424 models.

Someone also said EF-1 is less complicated... So maybe run EF-1 on Sunday. From a 10 sec start clock, yes. Everything else, its the same. You don't have to check your plug, but you do have to put batteries on charge. Other than wiping the mess off the maintenance is nearly the same. It is really a toss up.

My personal opinion is that we keep the format the same. Again this is only my opinion, based on my sanity on Sunday.

Scotty, we cannot decide on site. We need to publish prior to the event. So far, 1 for 424 on Saturday and 1 against it. Hopefully others respond.

[Sparky]

Scotty I feel your pain. However I prefer to remain racing in the "lower" classes of pylon racing ie; 424 EF-1. I would and prefer to keep them on separate days I also bring in the new guys and get them introduced into pylon racing. So far I have helped 2 graduate to racing 426.
Sparky
Team Prowler

[KRProton]

It is my theory/assumption that a pilot who competes in two events typically flies 424/EF1 or 422/426. Then, it is preferable/easier/more fun/more efficient/less stress to fly one class each day. Personally, I like to "ramp up" to Q40 by competing in 426 on the first day, so I'm more acclimated and prepared for 422 the 2nd day. Plus, for me, 422 is more work and effort, so I like the extra day of preparation (practicing/tuning Saturday afternoon at the termination of 426).

I assume that those who fly 424 and EF1 would also like those classes to be flown on different days for some of the same reasons I mentioned above.

As Dan Kane mentioned, there are other factors such as helping pilots in 424 and EF1 that I had not even considered.

Tim Lampe

[REA2]

When was there more than was one EF1 or 424 race held anywhere in the south in the last 12 months had more than 5 entries ?
I’m not aware of any race.
Especially EF-1 ….